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Campground Memberships: Our Experience

I originally published this article a year ago, but it is all still true! We find that the best way to hold down costs is to simply stay longer at campgrounds and take advantage of weekly or monthly rates. Enjoy this Throwback Thursday Post!


Member Stamp Shows Membership Registration And SubscribingGoing into this full time RV life, I knew that one of our largest ongoing expenses would be our camping costs. As I researched the lifestyle, I also looked for ways to reduce those expenses, such as investing different types of campground memberships. Since we’ve been at this for almost a year, I thought I’d share how the various membership schemes have panned out for us.

Passport America  Billed as the “original 50% discount camping club”, we find its utility to be somewhat limited. Many of the campgrounds we’ve stayed in either don’t accept PA or accept it only within strict limits (such as, not in high season, or only for a few days). However, we did find a couple of places so far that have taken PA; one near Boerne TX and the other near Durango CO. Both of those parks were fantastic, and the discount rate made the stays total bargains. In fact, just ONE of those stays fully justified the $44/year cost. And, if you spring for a 3-year membership, the current cost is $109 or about $33/year.  I will definitely keep Passport America in my wallet because it only takes one use per year to pay for itself and then some.

Good Sam:  We have found that many of the campgrounds we’ve visited do give a Good Sam discount. It’s only 10%, but that 10% can really add up over time, especially at the higher priced parks. The membership cost is a modest $29 for one year. Good Sam often provides incentives to join; right now a 2 year membership is $50 and they give you a $25 Camping World gift certificate! (3 years for $75 / $50 gift certificate). Other Good Sam perks that we take advantage of  include discounts on Camping World merchandise and Pilot / Flying J fuel. We may also switch to their mail forwarding service next year at a discounted rate. This is definitely another discount card that pays off for us.

KOA Value Kard: This membership is specific to KOA campgrounds only and I have a bit of a philosophical problem with paying $30/year just to get a 10% discount. In general, I find KOA’s to be expensive for what you get and variable in quality. I stay at a KOA when it’s the only campground in the area I want to be. I sprung for the Value Kard last year when I had KOA reservations and knew the card would pay for itself. The 10% discount price plus small rebates you rack up with accumulated points almost brings the KOA cost down on par with similar resorts. The good news is that if you rack up enough points in a membership year, the card is renewed automatically (free) for an additional year. So far, I haven’t had to pay to renew it, and I’m not sure I would. I suspect we’ll end up staying at KOA’s just enough each year to get the renewal for free.

Harvest Host:  I really like the Harvest Host concept. Basically, you pay an annual fee ($49) for a listing of wineries, farms and museums that allow you to park overnight at their facility for free. The host facility hopes you’ll patronize their amenities, and you get a safe and interesting dry camping parking space. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able take advantage of any Host locations yet. We only need an overnight spot when we’re in transit to another area and there has never seemed to be a Host location where we need it. They are usually a bit off the beaten path, and we don’t want to travel out of our way. Also as a very big rig, many Host sites can’t accommodate our length. I paid for a multi-year membership so I haven’t given up on it yet, but it’s unlikely that I’ll renew.

Thousand Trails  Thousand Trails is a general name for a portfolio of complex and confusing camping membership contracts. The most basic membership is an annual $575 Zone Pass which allows you to camp “for free” at certain campgrounds within a geographical zone. You are limited to 14 days at a time, then out for at least 7 days, then you can stay again for 14 days. You can pay up to $thousands more and get more campground choices, more days in, no days out, and earlier reservation windows. There are myriad flavors of these contracts, each with their own stipulations, up front costs and annual fee rates. My biggest objection to their campgrounds is that all are “find your own site” places. You don’t reserve a space type guaranteed to fit your needs,  you take your chances on finding a suitable site upon arrival. Since most of these campgrounds are older, finding a big rig site is chancy. Not to mention that their largest network is still limited, and not necessarily where we want to stay. We tried out one TT campground in Arizona, and were not favorably impressed. No thanks – not for us.

Coast to Coast  Owned by the Good Sam parent company, C2C memberships are another abstruse and confusing membership scheme. First, you have to buy a membership at a C2C campground, which becomes your “home” resort. That usually requires thousands of dollars up front, plus annual fees (total cost depends on the resort). Then you “add on” the C2C network for an additional annual fee. That entitles you to stay at other C2C facilities for $10/night. Just like Thousand Trails, I find that these campgrounds are typically older and not in our desired locations. And they also subscribe to the “find your own” site philosophy, which is very risky for a Big Rig like ours. I much prefer to get to a campground confident that we’ll fit into a site! We stayed at one C2C campground in Mississippi and suffered through the high-pressure sales pitch. (We declined)  At least we stayed for free!

We could probably get more out of these memberships if we planned our travels around their campground networks – but we don’t. We decide where we want to go, and look for suitable campgrounds near that location that are easily navigated, highly rated, and suitable for our bus. Whether or not they subscribe to a specific discount scheme is way down on our list.

I truly wish we could find a campground membership for higher end resorts, but one simply doesn’t exist. We are finding that the simplest way to control campground costs is just to stay longer to take advantage of weekly / monthly discounts. So, that will be our best strategy for now.

 

Campground Memberships: Our Experience

Member Stamp Shows Membership Registration And SubscribingGoing into this full time RV life, I knew that one of our largest ongoing expenses would be our camping costs. As I researched the lifestyle, I also looked for ways to reduce those expenses, such as investing different types of campground memberships. Since we’ve been at this for almost a year, I thought I’d share how the various membership schemes have panned out for us.

Passport America  Billed as the “original 50% discount camping club”, we find its utility to be somewhat limited. Many of the campgrounds we’ve stayed in either don’t accept PA or accept it only within strict limits (such as, not in high season, or only for a few days). However, we did find a couple of places so far that have taken PA; one near Boerne TX and the other near Durango CO. Both of those parks were fantastic, and the discount rate made the stays total bargains. In fact, just ONE of those stays fully justified the $44/year cost. And, if you spring for a 3-year membership, the current cost is $109 or about $33/year.  I will definitely keep Passport America in my wallet because it only takes one use per year to pay for itself and then some.

Good Sam:  We have found that many of the campgrounds we’ve visited do give a Good Sam discount. It’s only 10%, but that 10% can really add up over time, especially at the higher priced parks. The membership cost is a modest $29 for one year. Good Sam often provides incentives to join; right now a 2 year membership is $50 and they give you a $25 Camping World gift certificate! (3 years for $75 / $50 gift certificate). Other Good Sam perks that we take advantage of  include discounts on Camping World merchandise and Pilot / Flying J fuel. We may also switch to their mail forwarding service next year at a discounted rate. This is definitely another discount card that pays off for us.

KOA Value Kard: This membership is specific to KOA campgrounds only and I have a bit of a philosophical problem with paying $30/year just to get a 10% discount. In general, I find KOA’s to be expensive for what you get and variable in quality. I stay at a KOA when it’s the only campground in the area I want to be. I sprung for the Value Kard last year when I had KOA reservations and knew the card would pay for itself. The 10% discount price plus small rebates you rack up with accumulated points almost brings the KOA cost down on par with similar resorts. The good news is that if you rack up enough points in a membership year, the card is renewed automatically (free) for an additional year. So far, I haven’t had to pay to renew it, and I’m not sure I would. I suspect we’ll end up staying at KOA’s just enough each year to get the renewal for free.

Harvest Host:  I really like the Harvest Host concept. Basically, you pay an annual fee ($49) for a listing of wineries, farms and museums that allow you to park overnight at their facility for free. The host facility hopes you’ll patronize their amenities, and you get a safe and interesting dry camping parking space. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able take advantage of any Host locations yet. We only need an overnight spot when we’re in transit to another area and there has never seemed to be a Host location where we need it. They are usually a bit off the beaten path, and we don’t want to travel out of our way. Also as a very big rig, many Host sites can’t accommodate our length. I paid for a multi-year membership so I haven’t given up on it yet, but it’s unlikely that I’ll renew.

Thousand Trails  Thousand Trails is a general name for a portfolio of complex and confusing camping membership contracts. The most basic membership is an annual $575 Zone Pass which allows you to camp “for free” at certain campgrounds within a geographical zone. You are limited to 14 days at a time, then out for at least 7 days, then you can stay again for 14 days. You can pay up to $thousands more and get more campground choices, more days in, no days out, and earlier reservation windows. There are myriad flavors of these contracts, each with their own stipulations, up front costs and annual fee rates. My biggest objection to their campgrounds is that all are “find your own site” places. You don’t reserve a space type guaranteed to fit your needs,  you take your chances on finding a suitable site upon arrival. Since most of these campgrounds are older, finding a big rig site is chancy. Not to mention that their largest network is still limited, and not necessarily where we want to stay. We tried out one TT campground in Arizona, and were not favorably impressed. No thanks – not for us.

Coast to Coast  Owned by the Good Sam parent company, C2C memberships are another abstruse and confusing membership scheme. First, you have to buy a membership at a C2C campground, which becomes your “home” resort. That usually requires thousands of dollars up front, plus annual fees (total cost depends on the resort). Then you “add on” the C2C network for an additional annual fee. That entitles you to stay at other C2C facilities for $10/night. Just like Thousand Trails, I find that these campgrounds are typically older and not in our desired locations. And they also subscribe to the “find your own” site philosophy, which is very risky for a Big Rig like ours. I much prefer to get to a campground confident that we’ll fit into a site! We stayed at one C2C campground in Mississippi and suffered through the high-pressure sales pitch. (We declined)  At least we stayed for free!

We could probably get more out of these memberships if we planned our travels around their campground networks – but we don’t. We decide where we want to go, and look for suitable campgrounds near that location that are easily navigated, highly rated, and suitable for our bus. Whether or not they subscribe to a specific discount scheme is way down on our list.

I truly wish we could find a campground membership for higher end resorts, but one simply doesn’t exist. We are finding that the simplest way to control campground costs is just to stay longer to take advantage of weekly / monthly discounts. So, that will be our best strategy for now.

 

Campground Review: Verde Valley RV Resort, Cottonwood, AZ

IMG_3306Campground Review Summary

  • Name: Verde Valley RV Resort
  • Dates of stay: March 12 – 24, 2018
  • Location: 6400 E Thousand Trails Road, Cottonwood, AZ 86326
  • Type of campground: Thousand Trails / Encore
  • Cost: $42.26/night (retail cost) for FHU pull through site (30 amp)
  • Additional fees: $4/day resort fee included in above
  • Stay limit: varies – see full review below
  • Accepts mail / packages: yes, for $2 handling fee
  • Cell reception: ATT OK, not great
  • Website: http://ttverdevalley.com/
  • Pros: Nice amenities, large resort
  • Cons: membership park, very tight sites, 50 amp sites limited

Full Review

Sedona Arizona has been on both our bucket lists, so it was a mandatory stop in our first year itinerary. However, as I attempted to book a site several months ago, I found that everyone in the world had the same plan! I just didn’t realize that March was such a peak season. (Spring break, duh!) There is only one RV park within the town of Sedona, and we discovered that it books more than a year in advance. I tried every park in the vicinity and Verde Valley RV Resort was literally the ONLY park with availability within 30 miles for our dates. As it was, I wanted 14 days and only could get 12. I took it!

Verde Valley RV Resort is located near the town of Cottonwood, about a half hour drive to Sedona. The park property is ginormous, with four different clusters of RV sites (Sections A, B/C, H and M) and more than 300 sites. Although it is primarily a membership park (Thousand Trails / Encore), they do make some “retail rate” sites available and we were able to snag one.

IMG_3307Upon arrival, we checked in at the security gate and were shown three site possibilities on a map. Basically, it is a “find your own site” kind of park, so we unhooked our toad and drove around to pick the site that was most suitable for our big rig. One of the three sites was already taken, one site had a soft and rutted surface, and the third had a solid and reasonably level gravel surface, so we quickly nabbed that one before someone else could. The sites were arranged head to toe, which put the utilities between every two sites. The problem was that our travel trailer neighbor actually overlapped the electrical boxes by a few inches, narrowing our site. We put the bus as far over as we could without parking on the grass. Fully extended, our slide missed theirs by inches. That is about as tight as it gets. The patio side was ample, but sloped, so we stepped out onto un-level ground. We fit here, but just barely width-wise. Lengthwise, there was enough space to park the truck behind and the motorcycle in front. It was just a bummer that my only view out the dinette window was another trailer’s slide.

The other challenge was 50 amp availability – not. We were only able to get a 30 amp site, which in cool weather was not an issue, since we didn’t need to run all three air conditioner units at any time. I put the water heater and bus heating system on diesel/gas only, and 30 amp worked fine for everything else. And had we actually snagged a 50 amp site, there would have been a surcharge. Water and sewer hookups were fine. Being situated in a valley, we weren’t able to pull many TV stations over the air, so relied on satellite TV during our stay. ATT cell phone coverage was just OK, and data / internet was slow. The campground offered wifi at the lodges, but I didn’t try that.

There are quite a few nice amenities in this park. Since it’s so large, there is a network of hiking trails connecting the various sections. The resort has two lodges for activities, a pool, spa, pool table, pet area, ball fields, shuffleboard, pickleball court, mini golf, dump station, administrative office and store.  Bath houses were clean and well maintained. No trash pickup, but dumpsters were conveniently located. We were here during spring break time, and saw families enjoying the various amenities. Organized activities were scheduled throughout the week, but as usual, we were typically out and exploring during the activity times. We were in “B” section, and at night it was very quiet.

I’ve been researching Thousand Trails membership options for quite some time and this was my first stay at a TT park. There are a myriad of memberships but they basically fall into 3 types:

  • Annual Zone membership: Ranges from $500-700 per year, allows “free” camping at the TT network of resorts, with caveats. You can only book 90 days in advance, can stay 14 days, then have to leave for 7 days before entering another TT  park. It’s a year by year commitment.
  • Elite/Platinum membership:  Substantial initial buy in ($5-8K) with annual dues in $600 range. Allows “free” camping in the network, longer advance booking window, can stay 21 days, and go park to park without  mandatory time out. You are locked in for some period of time.
  • Full time site – Some rigs are obviously permanently located here with additions such as storage sheds, concrete pads and decks. I have no idea what that costs.

There are a hundred variations of these contracts, depending upon when it was issued and whether you buy new or second-hand. There are “add on” memberships that allows access to other campground networks. It’s very complicated and can be confusing.

I can see how this kind of membership could be extremely cost effective. If you have a smaller rig, you want to stay in those parks, and you don’t mind the stay limitations,  you can lower your average cost per night considerably.

However for us, it’s just not going to work. Here’s why:

  • The TT network is limited, and clustered in certain regions. The parks aren’t necessarily where we want/need to stay.
  • We like to plan and book farther ahead than the memberships allow.  We also sometimes want to stay longer than 2 or 3 weeks, and like to have that option.
  • Not all parks can accommodate a rig our size, and even those that do have limited big rig sites. We barely shoehorned into the site we had here.
  • 50 amp sites are limited. A 30 amp site would not work for us anywhere that the weather is hot.
  • The big kicker – everyone finds their own site upon arrival, first come, first serve. Even if we book ahead, there’s no guarantee we’ll find a suitable spot when we arrive, because anyone can park anywhere they want, whether they need a large site or not. With a conventional campground, you can reserve a space that specifically fits our needs. With TT, you take your chances.

So, nope. Not for us, at least not now. We may pay more, but at least we know we’ll have a suitable site at the end of the day, where we choose, as long as we want.

Bottom Line: Tight 30 amp site aside, it was a decent campground with some nice amenities, not too far from the activities of Sedona.

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